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« Thread Started on Nov 8, 2005, 1:16pm »
We travel with birth certificates, and ID.
We were at the ticket counter in Montreal, and we were told that now, if you have a birth certificate, you also have to have 2 pieces of Photo ID..
which is okay if you have a drivers license, and a health card ( Ontario has pictures on them)..
but my husband still has an old health card with no picture..
we were delayed while they checked and rechecked, and even phoned Punta Cana to make sure we were going to be allowed into the country!
Crazy thing though, we were also travelling with our two daughters ( 12 and 9)..and they only needed their birth certificates..
one would think they would be more concerned with 2 children , being taken out of the country, identifications..
When we got to PUJ, they barely glanced at our IDs!
Thought I would inform anyone out there about this new rule..
and put "Get Passports" on my list of things to do!!!
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« Reply #1 on Nov 8, 2005, 1:34pm »
They must do things different in dat udder country Montreal!
To bad government agencies annot be consistent.
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« Reply #2 on Nov 8, 2005, 3:27pm »
a question for understanding:
is it a big problem or very expensive for americans and canadians to get a passport ?

europeans need a passport for traveling outside europe - that's normal - but it's no problem to get one and it's valid for 10 years and worldwide

I think it's much easier to travel with a passport than with a birth certificate and photoID
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« Reply #3 on Nov 8, 2005, 3:36pm »
Hi Silke,
It is easy enough for us to get passports in Canada..
costs $80 Can., and takes about 5 weeks to get back, and is valid for 5 years.
I agree, it is alot easier to travel with a passport..
but, until now, I have been too lazy to get organized and go downtown ... and wait about 3 hours in the passport offices!
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« Reply #4 on Nov 8, 2005, 3:41pm »
Silke, as Caorline said 5 weeks for passports but if you take all your documentation to a Passport office in Canada wait in line for 3 plus hours they will process in 1 week. We went to Windsor on a Monday and retruned the next Monday to pickup of passports.
Here you cannot renew a passport when it expires you must apply for a new one.
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« Reply #5 on Nov 8, 2005, 9:22pm »
Great country this Canada eh
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« Reply #6 on Nov 8, 2005, 10:18pm »
Actually, it is!

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« Reply #7 on Nov 9, 2005, 9:56am »
here in germany you can't renew the passport as well and you must apply for a new one
but the application is very easy here
you only need the old passport and a new photo, the price for the passport is 59 Euro (since 01.11.2005 - before it was 26 Euro, but we have new passports now)
if it's your first passport you need the ID-Card (= Personalausweis) or birth certificate and a new photo - that's it
this procedure takes a couple of minutes - if you had to wait in line maximum 1 hour
after 4-5 weeks you'll get your passport

well, every country is different

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« Reply #8 on Nov 9, 2005, 10:47am »
The passport office here in Canada should take lessons from our European friends and do things right for once.
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« Reply #9 on Nov 9, 2005, 10:51am »

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The passport office here in Canada should take lessons from our European friends and do things right for once.

I could never figure out why we have to start all over again. For a renewal all that should be required is the old passport and a new photo. Like everything else in life, there's a hard way and an easy way. We chose the hard way! Go figure.
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« Reply #10 on Nov 9, 2005, 10:55am »
I'd think it depends on the office...

I got mine through the local library, which was an authorized passport office/issuer/whatever they call it. Made an appointment, brought my expired passport & other papers & $$. No waiting, took a few weeks to get back. Renewing can be even easier - under the right circumstances, you can do it by mail.

Our adult passports are good for 10 years.
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« Reply #11 on Nov 9, 2005, 11:18am »

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Our adult passports are good for 10 years.

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How long ago did you get your passport?

According to Passport Canada's website ...

Children under three years of age: Maximum of 3 years.
Children three to fifteen years of age: Maximum of 5 years.
Adult passport (sixteen years old and over): Maximum of 5 years.
The IP indicates a US address. Ours are only good for 5 years. Bob

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« Reply #12 on Nov 9, 2005, 11:35am »
American passports are good for 10 years.

I sure wish ours were. I'm just going through the process of getting a new one and I'd pay twice as much to only go through the hassle once every 10 years.
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« Reply #13 on Nov 9, 2005, 11:44am »
The paperwork is not all that bad but it is the acceptable signature that you are who you say you are---argh!!! Principal. police officer, doctor--in Ontario many of us are relying on walk-in clinics due to shortages ---so who do you go to?????????? You would wish they would accept the expired passport with paperwork argh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #14 on Nov 9, 2005, 5:04pm »
I know someone who is getting their vet to sign their papers! I guess it's easier to find a vet than a doctor!!

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« Reply #15 on Nov 9, 2005, 5:25pm »
The vet has done mine in the past. Lord knows I'm there more often than to my own doctor *lol* This year it was our minister.
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« Reply #16 on Nov 10, 2005, 11:12am »
Sorry, yes, I'm in California. 10 years on ours (at this point, anyway).

But good grief, what's all this you Canadians have to do about authorized signatures? I take it you can't prove who you are with ID only?
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« Reply #17 on Nov 10, 2005, 11:18am »
Yup, there has to be a guarantor! And only certain professionals are accepted.
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« Reply #18 on Nov 10, 2005, 11:24am »
It is lots of fun getting a passport if you are Canadian. There are only specific professions who can "vouch" for who you are! A college prof can but a high school teacher cannot! Before I retired, it was easier because I worked with engineers who could sign. Last time we went to our dentist

It can be difficult sometimes because, they also have to swear that they have known you for over 5(?) years (not sure of the # - it might be longer!)

Also, we aren't allowed to smile or show our teeth! I'm always smiling when I'm going on vacation!!
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« Reply #19 on Nov 10, 2005, 11:30am »
Isn't there a saying that "if you look like your passport photo, you aren't fit to travel" or something like that.
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« Reply #20 on Nov 10, 2005, 2:20pm »
According to Passport Canada's website, here's the list of guarantors as they apply to various scenarios:

Eligible guarantors for Canadian residents
Your guarantor must:

Be a Canadian citizen residing in Canada and must be accessible to Passport Canada for verification.
Have known you personally for at least two years.
Be included in one of the following groups:
Chiropractor
Judge, magistrate
Lawyer (member of a provincial bar association), notary in Quebec
Mayor
Medical doctor or dentist
Minister of religion authorized under provincial law to perform marriages
Notary public
Optometrist
Person occupying a senior administrative position in a community college (includes CEGEP)
Pharmacist
Police officer (municipal, provincial or RCMP)
Postmaster
Principal of a primary or secondary school
Professional accountant (member of APA, CA, CGA, CMA, PA, RPA)
Professional engineer (P.Eng., Eng. in Quebec)
Senior administrator or teacher in a university
Veterinarian
Retired guarantors are not eligible unless still registered in their professional association.

Eligible guarantors for Canadians residing in the United States
Your guarantor must:

Be a citizen of Canada or the United States and must be accessible to Passport Canada for verification.
Have known you personally for at least two years.
Be included in one of the following groups:
Chiropractor
Dentist
Judge
Lawyer
Magistrate
Medical doctor
Notary public
Pharmacist
Police officer
Signing officer of a bank or trust company, or of a financial institution that offers the full range of banking services (cash withdrawals, deposits and savings)
Veterinarian

Eligible guarantors for Canadians residing outside Canada and the United States
Your guarantor must:

Have known you personally for at least two years.
Be included in one of the following groups:
Dentist
Judge
Lawyer
Magistrate
Medical doctor
Notary public
Police officer
Signing officer of a bank
Mayor

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Since my boss is a guarantor, I have first hand knowledge that our local passport office follows up with each and every passport application she signs to verify that she did indeed sign the application and the length of time she has known the applicant.

Guarantors, may not be a relative
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Since my boss is a guarantor, I have first hand knowledge that our local passport office follows up with each and every passport application she signs to verify that she did indeed sign the application and the length of time she has known the applicant.

Interesting! I'm a P.Eng and have signed as guarantor numerous times. So far, I've never been contacted.
Oh, and the nasty part about all this is that it takes a *little time* to go over the application, and yet the guarantor cannot charge for his/her services. Isn't that a bummer?

P. Eng. is listed and differentiates for Eng. in Quebec
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Since my boss is a guarantor, I have first hand knowledge that our local passport office follows up with each and every passport application she signs to verify that she did indeed sign the application and the length of time she has known the applicant.

Interesting! I'm a P.Eng and have signed as guarantor numerous times. So far, I've never been contacted.
Oh, and the nasty part about all this is that it takes a *little time* to go over the application, and yet the guarantor cannot charge for his/her services. Isn't that a bummer?

Bob, this seems to be a new procedure ... say in the last two or three years (or maybe P. Eng's are considered to be more trustworthy than bean counters ).
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« Reply #23 on Nov 10, 2005, 2:42pm »

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Bob, this seems to be a new procedure ... say in the last two or three years (or maybe P. Eng's are considered to be more trustworthy than bean counters ).

Somehow I doubt it. I was surprised too. After 9/11, I have done at least four, and fully expected a call, but ....

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« Reply #24 on Nov 11, 2005, 11:15am »
I find it a pain in the butt having to ask my dentist to sign hubbys paper work. The canadian passports should also be good for 10yrs. (I'm american hubby is canadian) Then I also have to Fed Express it over night and that's beaucoup bucks. Yesterday hubby got his pictures done so this morning was going to drop them of at the dentist Guess What...................the pictures were not the right size( I was not a happy camper) I'm glad I noticed that they were too small before I Fed Expressed and the dentist would have had to do them again> So we're starting the photos over.Thank God that the DR is a great place to vacation!
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« Reply #25 on Nov 11, 2005, 1:07pm »
Wow. I wonder what the stats are on Canadian passport fraud - if all this really does make a difference? Because to be honest, it was almost too easy to get mine here.
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« Reply #26 on Nov 11, 2005, 7:21pm »
I am glad you can't use your MP as you probably could never find them because they are always on holidays and as for lawyers aren't they the same things as criminals in some peoples minds?
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« Reply #27 on Nov 11, 2005, 7:26pm »
Sure, you can use your MP. That's how we did our last passports.

addendum: Actually, I meant that's how we sent in the passport application.
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« Reply #28 on Nov 11, 2005, 9:56pm »
I've used local MP, vet, lawyer and last month our church minister ... I never have trouble finding people to sign, but it's a lot of work to get all the bits and bobs together.
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« Reply #29 on Nov 12, 2005, 9:52am »
If you think it's a hassle to get a passport....try traveling with a child that does not have the same last name as you. Last year we went to Cuba and had passports for all the kids and a letter from the Children's Aid Society that we could take our foster child with us..no problem.
It surprised us to find that we need the letter from the CAS(notarized) and two passport photos, copies of our passports, the child's passport and $75.00 US to get the DR Consulate to translate and legalize all that so we can travel to DR. I went down to the Consulate the other day (Toronto) and guess what?? they were closed!
Boy....I certainly hope all these hassles are worth it!
I feel the 75.US is just another opportunity to take tourist's money.
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